[Beowulf] In appropriate post (was "In the news again HPC in Iceland")

Fri Sep 21 08:48:43 PDT 2012

On Fri, 21 Sep 2012, Prentice Bisbal wrote:

> No, you think it's a lie.
>
> This is inappropriate for this list.

Well, over the years, the list has been pretty tolerant of a certain
amount of ranting and OT discussion, and for all of that it has had a
remarkably high signal to noise ratio.  So maybe the best thing to do is
just ignore OT political commentary on Germany, nuclear power and the
location of giant coroporate clusters rather than react to it and hence
prolong the discussion.  Most of the old hands know that Vincent is
prone to -- offering his own rather unique point of view, shall we say
-- and then filtering in real time as appropriate...;-)

    rgb

>
> --
> Prentice
>
> On 09/21/2012 11:16 AM, Vincent Diepeveen wrote:
>> you post something about HPC in iceleand, but we all know that's a lie.
>> That's what i wrote.
>>
>> On Sep 21, 2012, at 4:50 PM, Prentice Bisbal wrote:
>>
>>> Vincent,
>>>
>>> The beowulf mailing list is for discussing matters related Linux beowulf
>>> clusters, and HPC in general. In practice, this list has always allowed
>>> a lot of leeway and discussions often veer of tangentially into the
>>> science, technology, and the business/politics surrounding HPC.
>>>
>>> Even with the large amount of leeway observed on this list, your post
>>> below is inappropriate. After reading it several times, your post
>>> appears to contain nothing more than a political attack on Germany. I
>>> can find nothing in your post related to Linux clusters, HPC, science or
>>> technology.
>>>
>>> There are plenty of forums on the Internet for discussing politics. This
>>> is not one of them. Please post your political attacks elsewhere.
>>>
>>> --
>>> Prentice
>>>
>>>
>>> On 09/21/2012 10:21 AM, Vincent Diepeveen wrote:
>>>> Typical German marketing.
>>>>
>>>> Say A, do B.
>>>>
>>>> Knowing how German industry works, they probably will deploy one
>>>> computer there when they sell a few more BMW's in Iceland.
>>>> In the meantime their top secret crunching runs on browncoals in
>>>> Germany of course.
>>>>
>>>> A lot cheaper than 4.3 cents a kilowatt hour browncoals are.
>>>>
>>>> An article today in the newspaper suggested German Minister Altmaier
>>>> announced more or less he wants to quit solar panel
>>>> subsidies, and for now announces to dramatically lower it,
>>>> which of course in combination with getting rid of nuclear reactors
>>>> means they're gonna burn even more coals in Germany,
>>>> as *somewhere* they need this huge amount of energy for their
>>>> industry. We're speaking about a 50000 megawatt or so.
>>>>
>>>> Usually they calculate with householeds and ignore the 90-95% of
>>>> energy that companies and especially industry consumes...
>>>>
>>>> Germany is world champion in saying A and doing B.
>>>>
>>>> On Sep 21, 2012, at 3:52 PM, Prentice Bisbal wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Another news article about datacenters and HPC in Iceland.
>>>>> --
>>>>> Prentice
>>>>>
>>>>> http://www.hpcwire.com/hpcwire/2012-09-20/
>>>>> bmw_finds_cool_locale_for_hpc_cluster.html
>>>>> September 20, 2012
>>>>>
>>>>> BMW Finds Cool Locale for HPC Cluster
>>>>> Robert Gelber
>>>>>
>>>>> Automaker BMW is getting ready to deploy an HPC cluster to run
>>>>> simulations for designing it next-generation ultimate driving
>>>>> machines. As with any supercomputing installation, this one is
>>>>> bound to consume plenty of energy, which translates to high
>>>>> operational expenses. So the car company decided to search for an
>>>>> efficient and environmentally friendly plan to manage their system.
>>>>> They settled on locating the machine at Verne Global???s ??sbr??
>>>>> datacenter in Iceland.
>>>>>
>>>>> September 20, 2012
>>>>> BMW Finds Cool Locale for HPC Cluster
>>>>>
>>>>> Robert Gelber
>>>>>
>>>>> Automaker BMW is getting ready to deploy an HPC cluster to run
>>>>> simulations for designing it next-generation ultimate driving
>>>>> machines. As with any supercomputing installation, this one is
>>>>> bound to consume plenty of energy, which translates to high
>>>>> operational expenses. So the car company decided to search for an
>>>>> efficient and environmentally friendly plan to manage their system.
>>>>> They settled on locating the machine at Verne Global???s ??sbr??
>>>>> datacenter in Iceland.
>>>>>
>>>>> The country has become an interesting option for datacenter users
>>>>> because of its perpetually cool climate and cheap energy.
>>>>> Electricity in the island nation costs roughly 4.3 cents per
>>>>> kilowatt-hour, thanks to an abundance of renewable energy sources.
>>>>> The country generates most of its electricity from glacier-fed
>>>>> rivers and geothermal vents. Given these resources, it???s no
>>>>> surprise that Verne Global decided to setup their large scale
>>>>> computing facility at an abandoned NATO Air Force base located in
>>>>> the city of Keflav??k.
>>>>>
>>>>> Data Center Knowledge reported that Mario Mueller, BMW???s vice
>>>>> president of IT infrastructure and chair at the Open Data Center
>>>>> Alliance (ODCA), brought up the company???s plans at this year???s
>>>>> Intel Developer Forum. The car company will be Verne Global???s fifth
>>>>> customer after CCP Games, Datapipe, Opin Kerfi and GreenQloud.  It
>>>>> will also follow ODCA usage models to guide the cluster???s build.
>>>>>
>>>>> This is certainly not the first time a company or organization has
>>>>> considered alternative approaches to providing energy and cooling
>>>>> to a large computing installation. Apple is utilizing solar panels
>>>>> and methane gas from a local landfill to generate electricity for
>>>>> their iCloud datacenter. The Texas Advanced Computing Center (TACC)
>>>>> deployed a top 10 cluster in an oil submersion cooling system and
>>>>> Facebook built one of the world???s most efficient datacenters in
>>>>> Prineville Oregon using designs from the Open Compute Project.The
>>>>> country has become an interesting option for datacenter users
>>>>> because of its perpetually cool climate and cheap energy.
>>>>> Electricity in the island nation costs roughly 4.3 cents per
>>>>> kilowatt-hour, thanks to an abundance of renewable energy sources.
>>>>> The country generates most of its electricity from glacier-fed
>>>>> rivers and geothermal vents. Given these resources, it???s no
>>>>> surprise that Verne Global decided to setup their large scale
>>>>> computing facility at an abandoned NATO Air Force base located in
>>>>> the city of Keflav??k.
>>>>>
>>>>> Data Center Knowledge reported that Mario Mueller, BMW???s vice
>>>>> president of IT infrastructure and chair at the Open Data Center
>>>>> Alliance (ODCA), brought up the company???s plans at this year???s
>>>>> Intel Developer Forum. The car company will be Verne Global???s fifth
>>>>> customer after CCP Games, Datapipe, Opin Kerfi and GreenQloud.  It
>>>>> will also follow ODCA usage models to guide the cluster???s build.
>>>>>
>>>>> This is certainly not the first time a company or organization has
>>>>> considered alternative approaches to providing energy and cooling
>>>>> to a large computing installation. Apple is utilizing solar panels
>>>>> and methane gas from a local landfill to generate electricity for
>>>>> their iCloud datacenter. The Texas Advanced Computing Center (TACC)
>>>>> deployed a top 10 cluster in an oil submersion cooling system and
>>>>> Facebook built one of the world???s most efficient datacenters in
>>>>> Prineville Oregon using designs from the Open Compute Project.
>>>>>
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