the system that worked, and the ones that died have been connected via 100-tx to a 3com switch (a 3300, I believe) as well as to a d-link 8-port hub, with the same behavior in both cases. I have had no ability to test at 10baseT. -- Peter C. Norton Time comes into it. / Say it. Say it. spacey@pobox.com | The Universe is made of stories, http://spacey.dyn.ml.org | not of atoms. | Muriel Rukeyser "The Speed of Darknesss"